We’ve been getting to know Lawyer Michael Swinwood at this project. He’s an amazing source of knowledge about conspiracy history. A lawyer’s argument is as good as his evidence and Michael Swinwood is very persuasive.
To listen to what this charismatic and unique lawyer has to say, start watching the video below at minute: 3:50:47- 4:26:06
Canadian Lawyer, Michael Swinwood
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Hey, Michael. Oh, man, I’m sorry to keep you waiting, but this is how, I mean, I never expected to hear stories like this. This is insanity.
Michael Swinwood: Yeah, it’s chilling. Get it? Chile?
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah yeah, Man.
Michael Swinwood: Well, listen. The story is the same everywhere, but I mean it’s kind of interesting that Chile, and what she’s talking about, and what she said about all of the legislation and movement and military and all that stuff, it’s a template for what’s coming for the rest of us.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Of course.
Michael Swinwood: And, you know, Chile was also one of the countries that a lot of Nazis made it out of Germany, and the kind of tyranny that’s existed in Chile for a long time, it is fresh ground for what they’re talking about. It’s really the best place for them to put in what they’re doing. Worldwide, I mean, we’re seeing all this. Dominic and I were talking last week about the rumour in the, hi Dominic, good to see a brother, the rumour in the province of Quebec, that they were contemplating legislation, taking the authority over children out of the hands of the parents. And then here we’re hearing legislation in Chile. So you know, what does that tell you? What does that tell you? What it tells you is that there’s an agenda, and that agenda is being you know, kind of rolled out no vaccine pun intended. So they’re rolling out these initiatives at various places. It’s like trying to play a bad symphony, you know, the chord section, okay you go ahead, now the bass you go ahead. I left Canada to pop in on a lawyer I hadn’t seen in almost five years. He’s practised law for 50. So you know he’s up there, but a brilliant man and a brilliant criminal law lawyer, one who mentored me at the beginning. And I have a lot of respect for and quite frankly, I love him as a human being. But I went to see him and first of all, they came to the first door. I was met with masks, people are going where’s your mask, where’s your mask? So I had to dig into my pocket and find a mask and then when I went to see him, we went into a room and he was just like this the whole time, your mask is under your nose. And he’s giving me all these admonitions. And I said to him, “Oh, I guess you don’t know. But I’m actually working against all these things that you’re talking about.” “Oh what’s wrong with you?” And, and I was shocked, I thought, Oh, he must have some semblance of knowing. Now this is an intelligent man. If I was in trouble, I’d call him right away. He said, “I’m listening to Dr. Fauci and Sanjay Gupta on CNN, and I believe them.” And then I said to him, “Have you done any research yourself?” “No.” And he said, “I’ve got the first vaccine.” And I said, “Do you know what’s in that vaccine?” “No.” So consciousness, what I’m trying to get across here, here’s an intelligent human being criminal law lawyer, very very experienced, very sharp, very street smart, in complete fear, and not wanting to investigate, because those people are intelligent, and they’re telling the truth. So that consciousness is predominant, its in a lot of places, where people do not wish to make the investigation. So this is where the danger lies. The danger lies in those who don’t want to pay attention to what’s happening around them, see what’s happening around them, and do something about it. They’re quite content to listen to officialdom, lie to them, and then follow their instructions. That’s what the problem is 100 percent. I cried with that man, because I said to him, you know, I don’t have to convince you, but please please open your mind enough to investigate. But I knew as soon as I left that he wasn’t going to do anything. Because he was convinced that authority is correct, that what they’re telling him is true. And that people like me, need to give our heads a shake because we don’t know what we’re talking about. So I think that’s exactly where the problem is. And you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. And the horse has to be thirsty. And that’s been my experience for all my life. If a person is not desirous of knowing something, they’re not gonna bother. For them, it’s meaningless. It doesn’t mean anything. So the consciousness of humanity is really what’s at play here. And how we’re able to influence or raise the consciousness of humanity is really the task. And we’re losing. We’re essentially losing, because the propaganda campaign has been perfect. So if you and I and Dominic control the press, well, they all they be hearing is that this is fake, this is a hoax, you know, pay attention to start studying, do some research. That’s what they would hear. And then maybe they would begin, but they’re not hearing that. What they’re hearing is the number of deaths today is 3450, 9000, new cases of Coronavirus. The hospitals are overwhelmed the ICU, they don’t know what to do, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. And they hear that, you heard one of them either from Uruguay or from Chile, I can’t remember which but saying all you hear is COVID COVID COVID COVID COVID.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Michael, but why is it that some of us do see through this, or at least try to see through this and others like this intelligent person, your friend, refuse to even I mean, as a lawyer, you should know that you have to get to the facts, you have to see the true facts. Even if I was a criminal defence attorney, I would always want to know what is really going on. But these people, and this guy is a criminal defence attorney as you said, I just don’t get it.
Michael Swinwood: Well, that’s my point to you. That’s my point to you. This is what you have to get. This is what you have to get. It’s like this if I go and stand in front of someone, and I say ABC, but their consciousness can’t accommodate ABC. So the fact that I said ABC, and they can go look it up in the alphabet and say, Oh, yeah, they’re the first three letters of the alphabet, oh, I didn’t know. No, he can’t hear ABC. So the consciousness is stuck in a particular place. The reason it’s stuck is because of brainwashing. So that the brainwashing has been going on for a long time, to the point where average Joe listens to authority. In Canada in particular is, you know, we’re famous for saying I’m sorry, rather than saying I have rights. The concept that authority is going to be challenged, falls to a rare few dominant – you, I – we’re the minority, we are the minority. And we’re looked at askance, like people look at us and go, what are those guys talking about? Right? So that’s the frustrating part. Because I know that if they would just listen, we could show them, but they can’t accommodate it. They just can’t accommodate it.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: So that means that we’re gonna have to fight the fight without them, right.
Michael Swinwood: Well, of course we have to fight the fight without them. But here’s the thing. None of us here are in control of the agenda that’s being put on humanity. And what we want to do is we want to affect that agenda that’s being put on humanity. And we’re handicapped, because they have all the levers. They have all the levers. And they’re so well organised. And they’ve infiltrated everywhere. And in that infiltration, they’re pulling the levers. Okay, I’m here in South America. You’ve heard from two people from South America that the situation in South America is that it was dominated by the Spanish until Bolivar came along and liberated them (inaudible) Simon Bolivar. But who really embedded in here, the Jesuits? There’s a little town 20 minutes away from me, every second door, every second doorway, the arch is a Jesuit symbol. And these houses go back to the 1800s. Every second doorway is a Jesuit symbol. So literally, this was infiltrated, complete infiltration in South America, and then all the way up - United States, Canada. Now Canada’s got to be one of the worst countries in the world for lockdown right now. I mean, it’s just terrible. Ontario has border crossing police now saying you can’t come in from Quebec or you can’t go in to Quebec, it’s just ridiculous. Getting on a plane, I have a Canada Border Guard at the doorway of the plane asking me what’s my purpose for travel? Right, and I’m - I was in Montreal at the airport, right? Oh, the other thing, you go through security now, before you place your stuff through the X ray stuff, you get photographed. You get photographed leaving the country. So I looked at it and I went, Okay, I’m not kicking up a fuss cos I won’t make the plane, but they’re asking me to be photographed. And you have to, if you want to go through security, so every person leaving Canada, at any airport, especially Montreal, you’re being photographed as you leave. There you go. So then they’re gonna line up all those photographs and see oh but that person and that person and that person, so the idea that you’re in a free and democratic society is out the window, the idea that we’re operating under the rule of law, it’s not so. We’re operating under the rule of COVID. And the rule of COVID is there’s a pandemic and you should shut up. That’s it. That’s it. That’s basically it. The Chief Justice of Ontario said we will not return to normal until everyone is vaccinated.
Viviane Fischer: Same thing they said the exact same thing here. It’s like even the wording is completely identical it’s very, very strange.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah it’s verbatim.
Michael Swinwood: And the reason the wording is identical because it’s the same consciousness that we’re up against. Right, that’s back again to the idea that yes, what we’re doing legally, we hope to impact and affect, and we hope to bring about a stoppage. The more and more I see, the more and more I’m convinced that this is going to be a difficult job, a real difficult job, because it’s almost as if the person I have to go in front of is like the man who practiced 50 years criminal law. And there’s nothing I can say, I can’t say anything to him that makes him doubtful, that even puts a doubt into his mind that there’s a problem, you see what I’m saying. He doesn’t even doubt the people who are telling him that this is the way it is. Now, if I then went on and explained to him that the Pope and the Queen and the Order of the Garter and the judge well right away, I’d lose him. I mean he’d be going oh that, you know, I’m crazy it would be that at that point. And that’s how the judges treated my statement of claim, in essence. In essence, they look at it and go oh, my goodness, right. They don’t know anything about it, but they don’t care to know. Because from their perspective, it’s all the way it is, and you’re not part of the programme.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Well Michael, but we still have to keep going both in the courts of law and on the spiritual side, as we just heard from our colleague from Chile. And we have to keep telling people what we know, in order to get things out. I mean, there’s no other way, except for these three approaches.
Viviane Fischer: But I have the feeling let me just share one thought, because I think it’s also a very individual situation in the countries although a lot of the elements seem very, you know, similar, but what we can see, for instance, in Latin America, they don’t even care to disguise like, whatever the thing is. But here, you know, maybe it’s because we have a much more, I don’t know, sort of at least we’ve had the feeling that we are living in a democracy for a much longer time, you know. I think it’s for us, you have to, you know, be a little bit more convincing with what you do. And like now here for instance, a lot of people are feeling the pain of, like, you know, that they see their children, you know, basically attacked with having to do all the testing in the schools. And that’s getting a lot of people on edge. And so I think it’s, you know, this is also and a lot of people are basically waking up, like seeing this. I think maybe like Chile is already over the edge, because maybe they also been the, you know, have been much more used to like living in a –
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: – they’ve been living in it far too long –
Viviane Fischer: – what like living in a dictatorship for a very long time. Same for I mean, basically, everywhere in Latin America, like look at Argentina, Chile, and all that. So but I think it’s maybe a little bit of a different mindset still for quite a few people here, you know, and also for the people who do, you know, live in the eastern part of Germany, because they’ve come out of that situation, but then been lured into this well idea of democracy, whatever. But I think we still have a much stronger feeling of that this is something we own that we own this democracy, you know, we are entitled to it. And we want it back, you know, at least that would be a thing.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: For those 20 percent of us, the rest of the population probably doesn’t even understand about democracy.
Viviane Fischer: No but I think at least more and more people are getting a feeling that something is seriously wrong, you know, and they’re getting more activated. Maybe they don’t know which way to direct their energy, but they’re still getting more dynamic. That’s what we can see.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: You’re saying that Canadians, I used to think this is particularly true for Germans, but that Canadians are very obedient in a way, right.
Michael Swinwood: Yes yes.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: But there’s still people like you and Dominic. And there’s more.
Michael Swinwood: Sure there’s more? Let me say, I totally agree with what you have both said about the continuation and that Dominic and I are going to continue that’s for sure. We’re going to dig in and dig in and dig in. I mean, as it presently stands, I just filed my appeal book and memorandum of fact and in law yesterday in the court of appeal. So 30 days from now they have to respond. Canada and the province of Ontario has to respond to my class action filing in the court of appeal and, you know, we might get a hearing date quicker than not. We’re also working on the class action for children. We’re also representing frontline nurses, who’ve all been taken down and so we’re doing a class action for them, and I have a hearing on June 28th and 29th on behalf of Adamson’s BBQ and Adam Skelly, who engaged in civil disobedience in his restaurant in downtown Toronto and had 253 police officers on the raid. But anyway, I’m being heard on June 28, and 29th, we have six experts. We have a virologist; we’re attacking the PCR. We’re attacking all elements of the hoax. We have great, great experts. And we get to see Canada’s experts on May 13. They have to provide us with their reports. And then we get to cross examine the experts. So we’re going full tilt boogie, we’re definitely going to keep it up, keep it up, keep it up. Here’s what I’m saying, though. Although it might be different in different countries, what you’re seeing is an agenda that’s the same.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Absolutely.
Michael Swinwood: And you’re seeing where they think that they can get away with more stuff, and they do it. So like in Canada, you know, I say to you that the province of Ontario is complete Jesuit place, and we’re under the Jesuit control. And people don’t know that. Now, if I told them they’d go, oh well there’s something wrong with you. What I’m talking about is I can see the diminution of the rule of law and the ignoring of the Charter of Rights is the way they’re going. They’re not going, oh, yes, we’ve got some problems here, the rule of law is under attack and rights are under attack. No, no, no, no, no, no, no to all of it.
Michael Swinwood
Reiner Fuellmich: They want rid of it, yeah.
Michael Swinwood: So how many levers are they pulling everywhere in order to bring that off, that becomes the question, how many levers can you pull? I can’t put a Canada Border guard at the front of the plane when you enter the plane, they can. And this is where it is, they’ve thought about this oh take his picture when he’s leaving, so that we now have somebody that we can say, that was an unhealthy move on your part, that’s what it’s become. It’s become, that’s an unhealthy move on your part, we’re going to have to take you away. You see what I’m saying?
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah yea yeah.
Michael Swinwood: Yeah, so by increments we’re implementing tyranny. That’s it, we’re implementing tyranny. So why is there a spiritual component to this, then what is the meaning what is the essence of the spiritual component? Well, the essence of the spiritual component is, number one, all of us are divine beings having a physical experience. That’s the first thing. People don’t know, people don’t understand that aspect of things because of dogma, that dogma has been put on people to take away the idea of their own divinity, and put it in the hands of someone else, between you and spirit. And therefore, that tyranny started with that idea of laying dogma on people and pulling them away from their own relationship to spirit. So what we have to come to grips with as human beings as individuals, is our own connection to spirit. Because everything that you see everywhere happens because of spirit. It’s the breath of the Divine, that allows everything to grow and breathe and be. And so within that, that’s a very powerful force, much more powerful than the tyrannical force of this insane consciousness that is imposed on humanity. It represents the dark force. And what we represent in the end is the light force. So therefore, we have an added reservoir, in addition to law. And what that added reservoir is, is our relationship to spirit that we can connect with every single day. And therefore, give yourself the ability to have magic, magic come into your life and you’ll be amazed at how things will change just by virtue of making that connection. Um, a couple of miracles. When you’re in the mountains, you have to be careful going around curves, especially when there’s 18 wheelers coming because the 18-wheeler will take up the whole the whole road. And when I arrived, I was driving on one of those mountainous roads, and as I came around a corner, honest there was an 18-wheeler, he took up the whole road and his speed and my speed were going to make me in a collision. And right there was a little dirt patch that you could pull off a car. And in an instant, I pulled it off, I just boom, I was out of the danger. And it’s like that, it’s like that angel’s sort of blowing their breath at the right time like, and that happens, I am a firm believer that if we think that way and act that way that it’s going to impact the agenda. Because there, I think you’ve put your finger on it before, they’re bound to make mistakes. They’re bound to make mistakes. And we have to be alert to the mistakes they make and go where that entry allows us. So I think the combination of law and real understanding of our connection to spirit and enforcing that on ourselves every day, and in other words, making a remembrance. You know, my teacher my spiritual teacher says, self-remembrance is the most important thing to self-realisation. And then you have to examine the question, what self? What is self? Who am I? And then when we get into that question, who am I? And if I can answer it by saying, Well, I’m a divine being having a physical experience, then I can up the vibration, I can up the consciousness, I can elevate. And that’s where this is that we need to elevate, elevate the consciousness of humanity, because it’s in a dire consequence, right now, it’s in a very, very dark place.
Reiner Fuellmich: What do you think, Dominic?
Dominic Desjarlais: Well, first of all, Michael, I just want to say hi to a fellow Canadian. It’s good to have two Canadians on this thing, so thank you very much. We had a chat less than a couple of weeks ago. So me and Michael discussed that, and I agree that there is a spiritual aspect to this. I’ve been saying on different occasions that people have to take their own power back that has to deal with spirituality. So I am totally in line with this. And some people talk about a third world war, I talk about spiritual war. So that’s exactly what Michael was saying.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah I think we’re all in agreement on this. I wouldn’t have said this little more than a year ago, but if you look at what’s happening, it’s global insanity and there’s no other way to make sense of this than on a different level, and what else can it be but spirituality and the law alone won’t suffice? Not this time.
Dominic Desjarlais: I agree that it’s a combination of both, you know, doing our job as lawyers, but also our job as lawyers has to be to educate people and raise people’s consciousness and awareness about this whole thing.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yep. Michael, are you aware of this? I don’t think it’s a decision, but maybe it is a decision in Peru of this court. I understand that there’s a group of judges even it’s not real plaintiffs, but judges who decided that they will prosecute, I think it’s a criminal case, prosecute those who are behind this, or is this a completely false story?
Michael Swinwood: Well, that’s what I’m trying to track down. I read the same story you’re speaking of. I remember reading it was a good three four months ago I read that story. Yeah. And so I’m trying to track it down because I’m highly doubtful. I’m highly doubtful. You know, but one beautiful thing about Peru is that there is nothing that can’t be fixed. It was just nothing. There’s always a solution. They’re the most inventive creative people. It’s incredible. I love it because, you know, you’ll go to an official and they say, no, we can’t do this, and you’ll turn to the Peruvian and the Peruvian will say, oh, yeah, there’s a way and they get it done. But I’m tracking it down through lawyers and Lima. You have to also appreciate that Lima is the capital and Lima sits right at sea level. Where I am is in the Sacred Valley which is up outside of Cusco and we’re at 10,000 feet here. It’s like being in two different worlds. To be in Lima and where all the politicians are and where all the activity is and all the stuffs going on, there’s a certain feeling. Then you come here and you’re going there’s no problem in the world. There’s none because there’s no television to watch, there’s no radio to listen to. So the people here are just, it’s just like it was 15 years ago, they’re wearing a mask that’s it as far as they’re concerned, and they’ll take it off whenever they want. So the difference where there’s no propaganda being thrown at you all the time is incredible. It’s just incredible. And the consciousness of the people is not so adversely affected. And this is the other thing too, when people get up in the morning until they go to bed at night, they’re constantly being told, be in fear. That’s what they’re being told, be in fear.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: That’s Michael why one of the psychologists a professor of psychology who we interviewed, and we had one session that dealt with how can we overcome this fear? I mean, not me and not Viviane, and the others, because we know what’s going on, but how can the people overcome this fear and one of the most important pieces of advice he gave is just cut yourself off from this constant onslaught of propaganda. Just don’t listen to the radio, just don’t watch TV anymore. I mean, I haven’t been watching any television and I haven’t been listening to the radio for at least months now. And it had a profound effect. Because I don’t care about what they’re saying and what’s going on because I know there’s just lies and there’s nothing really going on. But all these people who are constantly under this onslaught of fake and panic propaganda, I understand I can sympathise with your friend in Ontario, but I still don’t understand how someone who is trained to look at the real facts can disregard this. Incredible.
Michael Swinwood: It’s laziness thats all, intellectual laziness. But the other aspect of this was there an adverse ruling at the International Human Rights Tribunal in relation to children?
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yes, there is. This is a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month or two ago. And they ruled. I think this is a case dealing with either one of the former East Bloc countries, Eastern Europe, and I think, Czechoslovakia yeah. And a couple parents of a child or two children, they appealed to the human European human rights court asking them to rule that vaccinations cannot be mandatory. It didn’t deal with COVID vaccinations, I think it dealt with –
Viviane Fischer:– measles –
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: – yeah, measles or something. And that’s when the court ruled, no, it’s okay it’s within the regulatory system and it’s okay, in certain instances, to have mandatory vaccinations. Now, as I said, it didn’t exactly indirectly apply to this. But of course, it opens the door, it opens the door.
Michael Swinwood: Well, so that leads me to the second thing is, do you think that we can organise enough lawyers to take an approach together to either the International Human Rights Tribunal or some other international forum?
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yes, I do. In fact, Michael, when we started today’s session of hours and hours ago, we started with the German portion. And there is a former judge who is advising us and who has been advising us for a while, he’s a retired judge. He and his wife are child activists, very smart man, very experienced. And we all of us are beginning to realise that this is about the children. And it is about institutionalised child abuse, probably much worse, because we’re headed in a direction that is disastrous. And he wanted to be in touch with all of us. So I do think, Michael, that with us as lawyers, Dominic and you and many of the others out there, Ana Garner is one of them who I spoke to, or we both spoke with today. This group of lawyers plus this group of experts that we have, yes, we are a very powerful group of people and we can even make it to the international human rights court, or the International Criminal Court.
Michael Swinwood: Yeah, I’d really like to see an organising meeting with the lawyers who are interested so we can map out a strategy.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah, let’s do that. We have the right people. We do have them.
Michael Swinwood: So it’s in your hands to organise it.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Yeah, we’ll do that. We’ll do that as the Corona committee because, for some reason, I don’t know why this is, but apparently, we’re the ones who, out of intuition, maybe, we started this whole Corona committee thing trying to, because all of us have questions. And we believe that there’s many more people out there who must have the same questions. Well, I guess there’s not many more people out there, but quite a few more people out there. And now we have all this evidence. And now we’re in touch we’re all connected, and we have this evidence to share, that’s what this is all about. And that’s why I think with the combination of our legal efforts, Dominic’s, yours, Ana’s ours, and spirituality, we will not fail.
Michael Swinwood: Right on. Right on. Okay. I’m happy to hear that.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Okay. Well, guys, it’s been a pleasure and an honour as always, the weekend is near. Um, so I just want to let you go. I know it’s only 2:30 in the afternoon, right.
Dominic Desjarlais: 3:30 for me.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: It’s 2:30 for Michael, I think.
Michael Swinwood: Yeah.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: But it’s I’m really glad that we’re a team.
Michael Swinwood: Yeah, me too. Okay.
Dominic Desjarlais: Thank you very much Reiner. Thank you, Michael.
Michael Swinwood: Yes, and Reiner one last thing, someone has made an invitation asking if you and I could be interviewed at the same time and that they would arrange it. And I said I would speak to you about that. Would you be willing to be interviewed with you and I on?
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Any time, Michael.
Michael Swinwood: Okay, perfect. I’ll get the logistics and I’ll get them to you.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Okay.
Michael Swinwood: Thank you very much.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Thank you very much.
Michael Swinwood: Bye Vivienne.
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