Lawyers Dr. Reiner Fuellmich and Viviane Fischer conducted an extra parliamentary process where numerous lawyers from around the world were called to discuss the sudden loss of human rights in their nations and what they are going to do to fight for the return of democracy and justice. Today, we are considering the testimony of Lawyer Nikolaos Karavelos who has been representing mistreated children and workers. To watch this man speak, start the video at minute 28:57.
I transcribed an approximate representation of the interview below.
Nikolaos Karavelos: I’m very glad to meet you. I’m an attorney at law and head of of the department of law in the municipality of Neopolis in Attica. My field of practice for around the last 39 years had been criminal and civil. It gives me great pleasure for the last few years to have by my side my colleague Maria [the translator], also an attorney at law specializing in private international law who supports me in our common effort regarding our legal handling of the pandemic. Our office is witness to most of people’s problems in Greece. Parents whose children are cast out from schools. And employees who are denied access to their work because they don’t have the results of the test. Right now the test and in short time the vaccine. In Greece as in elsewhere there’s the phenomenon that a ministerial degree is treated as superior to the constitution, to international conventions and the legislation in general. I have to tell you that in my case when I asked the principal of my son’s school to prevent people from having their children suppressed by having them tested to attend school he replied that I am funny, that I say funny things. Furthermore we become witnesses to services threaten to cast out children and employees. Refusing to issue the necessary administrative decision regarding each separate case which is the the basic foundation of the application of this decree. Therefore, this is a direct violation of children’s rights both to education and also to the right of employment as foreseen in the national constitution and international conventions. I have to also add that in the northern part of Greece in Serres there has been an incarceration of an individual who was not wearing a mask because it was the second time he was caught not wearing it. In other words, we see them making more severe and strict decisions that cause fear and create terror. As far as in the case of Mr. Drosden as you mentioned in your email. I firmly believe each country has their own Drosden. We also have our own Drosdens. Our government has issued a law where all Mr. Drosdens have no civil or criminal responsibility and it must be noted that they cannot even be summoned as witnesses. If someone wants to file a lawsuit against a political - each Mr. Drosden - sorry to use the name Drosden - he has right not to testify as a witness. As far as I’m concerned, this shows that they are afraid. They’re not just trying to cover doctors and medical committees but probably themselves. From testimonies that could cause them a lot of trouble. It’s obvious that this information, what’s going on constitutes crimes against humanity. My legal opinion is that these people don’t just give their opinion or their vote some matter but they are in direct collaboration with the government without whom governments could not impose those measures. This is also verified by the declarations of the political personalities here in Greece that they follow the opinions of doctors. Therefore I believe that these people should be judged and should endure a trial for their deeds. And I have to say that in order for this legal argument, for this opinion to be full and complete it would be useful that everyone collaborate no matter where a lawsuit or legal action is filed.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: If you filed a lawsuit, if you go for example into a civil court of law. What do you base your legal argumentation on? What facts do you attack?
Nikolaos Karavelos: Our basic fundamental legal argument is that these decrees and everything imposed and applied as legislation is unconstitutional. We have a direct violation of both our internal legislation and international conventions. Apart from typical mishaps, let’s say, because these students and these employees being cast out, being expelled and being fired take place without the the necessary issuing of the administrative decision which is necessary for that to be in full legal effect. They are prevented from accessing schools and their work without any legal decision. This is illegal violence. This is a breach of duty and other very serious offenses furthermore we have deceit and neglect.
Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: Okay, I understand the legal ramifications of this. You are attacking on a very broad base which is that this is crimes against humanity and that this is all unconstitutional. I think everybody agrees on this. All the viewers now listening are probably in agreement on this where this is concerned. Good. My personal conviction is that we have to attack at the basis of this. We have to go after the foundation. The PCR Test and Mr. Drosden. But of course it makes sense to go attack on a broader basis but if you want to win these cases, I don’t think that’s good enough. I think we have to go and attack at the basis of this. It is so obvious from so many lawyers and from so many other people whom we talk to there are a lot of people out there who are trying to divert our attention from this. To go in a general direction which is not leading us anywhere. That is what I’m asking, if there’s a concrete fact on which you attack. But I can see how you believe why we have to attack on a broader notion - that’s these are crimes against humanity. Which they certainly are.
Nikolaos Karavelos: I agree that the PCR Test should be the basis of this fight and I would like to conclude by saying that I would like to be at your disposal in any possible way.